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Relics Reinforcements, what’s going on?

Well Folks, it’s been just over 2 weeks since I made this post here regarding the start of the new Relics Kickstarter Project.

So after my ramblings earlier on, I thought I’d actually check on the progress and see what else my local War gaming company is upto.

First the Kickstarter project.  Well things are looking good in a sense and not so good in other.

At the moment there are 65 backers and a Total of £5692 which seems to keep changing despite the number of backer remaining around the same.  I can only presume that people are changing their pledges, well I hope if they are, that they’re increasing them as to be totally selfish I want my Heavy Dragoons and these are way off at the moment.

Luckily the initial £3k target got smashed in a few days, which means we have got the initial 4 models coming to us, these are:

That’s great progress as personally I was looking forward to being able to field a Bomber in my Britanan list.

To wet my appetite, Tor Gaming have released a Work in Progress of the Bomber and he’s looking just like the concept – great stuff!

Britanan Bomber – WIP

To also continue this theme of showing Work in Progress, we do actually have the finished Orcnar Nappa figures, look here!

Ocrnar Nappa sculpts

Things have continued to progress nicely with Tor Gaming listening to various comments as initially the first Stretch Goal was set at £6250 which was quite a jump.  The changes then split the stretch goal into smaller stretches with one figure at a time being unlocked.

So far we have the following extra models unlocked, but look on in fear that someone withdrawing their pledge could once again lock the Puppeteer.

In order of how they’ve been unlocked, we have:

I have to admit that seeing the Neum Domini in resin will be excellent.  The price is not too bad either, £13 for a large model and these days that’s actually pretty cheap.

So we come onto the one concept that’s not going to hit the stores near you as we’re £500+ off from it, and that’s this:

I hope that we can find in the next 9 days a lot of support as the models that I really want are some way off, the Huntsman and Heavy Dragoons for my Britanan forces.

But let’s not get our hopes down as Tor Gaming have been super quick to listen again to comment about ‘free’ stuff, as it’s the norm to reward backers with extra stuff on to of what the initial pledges state.

So far, we have seen the fact that damage markers are coming :), depending on your level of pledge you can get:

  • Dragoon Reward: 1 of your choice
  • Marksmen Reward: 2 of you choice
  • Highlander Reward or above: 3 of your choice

Here we have some of the WIP of those damage markers and look at that poor Trooper, his stuffing is coming out!

Looking good don’t you agree?

And phew!  It doesn’t stop there!

Christian, the artist behind the concepts and other Relics art has been busy on the postcard art and here’s a lovely example of the Britanans actually doing some damage (unlike mine who are let down by my poor rolling dice).

Troopers! Open Fire!

I wish I could stop there, but no!

Seems also that Tor Gaming are going to get some T-Shirts made and we can buy these with our pledge money.  The pledges work a bit different, rather than getting some of this, some of that and one of them etc, you get an amount of money to spend on ANYTHING, and in return on some pledges you get the free stuff listed above.

And now there’s more still, crumbs, perahaps another post to explain this one, but just to include it Tor Gaming have released to us the mass battle rules for Relics.  These are not the finished item, they’re a work in progress but now we can take our Relics miniatures and fight mass battles with Troopers in unit.

Download a copy of the rules from here, have a read and let Tor Gaming know what you think (I will).

Anyway I’m signing of now, this has become a rather large post with lots of images, but also coming (no images available) are Effect Counters that we can use to mark Spell Effects that linger etc.

So what are you waiting for, go over to the Kickstarter project page and pledge away, we need this information spread – go and post this onto all the other forums that you post in and let’s support this, 9 days to go and plenty to get!



Wargaming – the cost of making new games….well the models anyway!

Morning Folks,

I’ve been ill for a few days and now I’m really bored of it.

This morning I was thinking about war gaming again, well re-thinking about a game I wanted to create last year.

The problem is this.  The smaller companies just don’t have the money to make their games unless they’re lucky to have a friend who’s a sculptor, an artist for the concepts and a caster to make the models.  It seems that you really need these people unless you want to pay good money.

What am I talking about?

Very early last year I found out that Tor Gaming was based in Sheffield and when I really looked their are just 1.2 miles away from me at home.  I looked onto their website and it was one of the best around for indies/small wargaming companies so looked professional.

Plus then I looked at their main game (Relics) and the models that they’ve released, plus at that time they were about to run the Indiegogo project for the Neum faction.

That was great stuff and I thought, this is excellent, maybe they’ll be able to help me out with my ideas as I have some money I can spend.

Before I go on, can any of you think how much it costs to make a single metal 28mm model?

So I contacted them and Gavin replied and was happy to talk.  We had a get together and their offices and then I found out it wasn’t ‘them’ it was ‘just him’.  That’s not that correct really as his better half helps out and his dog, he has a writer elsewhere, plus he has some friends that help and so on, but day to day it’s Gavin and he does EVERYTHING.  You send TG an email and he answers, you post onto their forum and it would be him answering for TG, you check out their Facebook/Twitter and so on it’s him…. during the ‘day’ he also has to make sure the bills are paid, orders are processed and sent out, that he has a cup of tea and some lunch and that he’s made sure the new models are being created, sculpt or concepted, my lord what a lot of stuff to do per day and this doesn’t include testing, updating the rulebook etc etc!

I almost stopped in my tracks and thought he was mad.  Now we’re about a year on and I still think he’s mad because he’s continuing…. these days he’s got a number of other models released for Relics and now currently has a Kickstarter project running to help make up some of the last models from the initial factions in the rulebook.

But the project isn’t getting that much help.

I looked around at others over the last 6 months and some big companies using Kickstarter are making a small fortune (Mantic, MiniWargaming come to mind etc) yet the smaller companies who need the investment to continue their ranges get limited support.

At time of writing the Relics KS has just 65 supporters, that sucks.  I know that on average how many people read this blog and how many friends I have.

Anyway off I digress.

The cost of making a miniature stands at very high for those of us without the local friends.  I don’t know about Tor Gaming (who would share their costs with a madman?) but from my investigations last year I found:

Concepts – depending on your artist and the quality you can pay £40-£75 for a single concept (of a 28mm WWII soldier for instance)

Sculpting – depending on if you wanted multi-part or single cast you can pay from £80 – £300 for a single sculpt.

Casting – depending on the number of models per mould, but seems you need various moulds are these cost around £100-120 in total.

So let’s say I wanted pretty much the best, on par with the Perry Brothers then I can expect to pay per figure £375 just to have the figure concepted and sculpted.  Not to mention I’d perhaps have to pay for shipping and VAT on those prices.  Once we add in the casting and moulds we’re looking at £500 a figure.

How many figures do you need to launch a new range?  That all depends, but probably 2 factions with 8 figures on each side, blood and sand, that’s £8k for the ‘starter sets’.

Now coming back down to earth we can reduce costs by re-using the bodies and having new arms/heads but in a pack of 8 you don’t really want duplicates do you?

So on how on earth can we get back the 8k we’ve invested?

I suppose that all depends on the selling price, but we’ve also got to think about if we want to move the figures via a retailer and/or distributor market then it’ll take us a long long time.

For example, say we make £8 per box of figures (assume we have a GW price!) how many boxes do we need JUST to recover our costs?  Well basic sums say 900….

That’s not too shabby is it?  900 can’t be that many can it?  I’d be staggered if a new small company could shift that many boxes to retailers within the time frame they have to remain in business.  The chances are they’re trickle sell, but then to keep interest from the players who bought at the start, you need to continue to release new material, be that new figures, new rules, something and so the cost continues to build.

So this is where IndieGoGo/Kickstarter come in.  I could get some concepts drawn, I could then start a project and hope to raise the £8k just for the figures. Of course I’d need to set it higher to pay the 5% Kickstarter want, and the 5% that the payment system will want and so my £8k needs to be £9.6k.

It’s a huge effort, but with banks not wanting to lend money without very high costs it’s the only choice.

This is where we need to support our local games.

Any of you reading this have NOT pledged to the Relics kickstarter then please re-think this.  The rules are very good, the figures are excellent and you should feel proud that your money is going to help a company that is fighting against some very big companies and perhaps this year they’ll ‘make it’.

So click here, in fact find any project that means something to you and support it.  What’s £10/$15 to you?  Enough of them could make a difference.

Apologies for my ramble, but it irks me that the larger companies get thousands of sales every day (the products may be good) but that their taking away money from the smaller guys.


Horror on the Orient Express…..

Evening All,

I’ve been RPGing for more of my life than I haven’t.

Tomorrow night in fact I’m running a Call of Cthulhu game for 6 other wargamers who wanted to get back into RPG.  This will be the 4th session and we play every 2-4 weeks depending on what our lives are doing.

I loved Call of Cthulhu sessions back in the late 80’s, during 90’s and very early 2k’s, but not done any since I moved up here just over 8 years ago.

So this is a quick post, I should have done this a month ago or so but I’ll do it now.

Chaosium – the people who print the RPG are using Kickstarter to basically help pay for a re-print of the 90’s Campaign ‘Horror on the Orient Express’ you can find the details here.

I’ve supported it, I’ve gone for the Well-Heeled Dilenttate because that’s what I’m like these days.  Here’s details of what that gets you:

WELL-HEELED DILETTANTE — Patrons of this tier travel in comfort, style, and only keep the best company. Of course, you receive all CONDUCTOR benefits, plus all Hidden Benefits (with future benefits to come), with postage paid to any location. Need we mention luggage? Your goods will be packed in a fashionably small steamer trunk of faux-byakhee leather. Each trunk bears a metallic plate, consecutively numbered, identifying this as part of the ORIENT EXPRESS project funded by Kickstarter. This is a LIMITED EDITION item of 500 copies. We will allocate low-numbered copies to PENULTIMATE TRIP backers first, then SHEER CHAOS, EPHEMERAL DINNER, ONE-NIGHT AT GENCON, STRANGERS ON THE TRAIN, ROGUES GALLERY, ANCIENT HISTORY, and then WELL-HEELED DILETTANTE backers in that order and in order of support.

So go support it, only a few hours to go…